15th Street Cycletrack signage/signals

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    brendan
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    This came up during the WABA Lincoln Ride this past Saturday. The marshal attempted to explain the correct procedure, not sure if folks were able to internalize it on the fly like that.

    My understanding is:
    – Motorized traffic on much (all?) of 15th street is one way, going north only.
    – The cycletrack used to be one way south.
    – It is now a two way cycletrack on the west side of 15th.

    When heading north, it wasn’t immediately clear to me (and others) whether bikes should be following the traffic signals or the pedestrian signals. In particular, there’s a safety issue when northbound motorized traffic has a full green + left turn green and pedestrians have a solid don’t walk sign, as the cars will be turning left across the cycletrack’s street crossing.

    There may have been some bike lights on some blocks (and/or painted instructions on the path that I didn’t notice), but not the intersections I noticed. There may have been some painted notations on street proper asking left turning vehicles to watch out. Some blocks may or may not have had signs indicating that bikes should be following the pedestrian signals. I haven’t been back to check. But at at least two intersections, by the time I got to the intersection, my in-traffic instinct was saying go, while my pedestrian instinct was telling me “whoa, wait, why do the signals contradict eachother?”.

    If you look at the layout, it’s pretty clear the cycletrack folks should be following the pedestrian signals while on the cycletrack, otherwise they’re gonna get creamed by left turning cars. In addition, the folks heading *south* on the cycletrack have no traffic signals, only pedestrian signals, so it’s pretty clear for them. But that wasn’t my gut reaction a couple of times going through the intersections, and that’s not good for safety.

    It’s quite possible most people get the correct procedure instinctively, but I failed to. Anyone else?

    Brendan

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    gregbilling
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    Brendon,

    I agree that it’s not totally intuitive when you’re actually riding. It’s a good example of how bicycles aren’t pedestrians or cars…we’re bikes! There are signs that instruct bicycles to follow the pedestrian walk/don’t walk lights. It gives peds/bikes a few second head start to get out in the intersection before cars go to help with visibility. There are also signs to instruct cars to yield to bikes and on cross streets that allow a left turn there are green and red lights. Cars are not allowed to turn while pedestrians and bikes are moving. Ideally, DDOT would have put in bike lights as well but to save some money they only used signs. I’ve attached a photo of one of the signs. It’s not a great photo.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/waba/5246206575/in/set-72157625563008942/

    Greg

    #924982
    CCrew
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    My office is on 15th. It’s interesting to watch the confusion that occurs. It’s definitely counter-intuitive.

    It’s two way where I am, I see most of the northbound riders still using the street vs the cycletrack.

    #924987
    brendan
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    Ok, clearly I missed the sign regarding which signal to follow. I would swear there was at least one block without signs…but my vision prescription is a bit out of date and the signs are kind of small…so I’ll just say: my bad. :) Still, I’m sure I’m not the only one who has been confused.

    #924996
    jrenaut
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    Most of the confusion seems to be from cars – they seem to be under the impression that left turns with a red arrow are somehow okay, especially at Rhode Island.

    I commute home on 15th most days, and for the most part I think it’s well signed. It’s just a little strange at first because I’ve never seen a similar bike lane, or similar “bikes follow pedestrian signal” signs.

    #924998
    DaveK
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    On my road bike I ride in the lane on 15th St, on a CaBi I take the cycletrack. In the lane I act like a car, in the cycletrack I follow the ped signals. the cycletrack is something new to most folks but it’s very clearly signed and marked as to what you should be doing.

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