eBikes and electric powered vehicles (including the Elf)
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woah woah woah there SteveO. Dude. I’m pretty sure I didn’t volunteer to make any actual decisions this year. I volunteered to document the decisions other people make in a centralized and easily accessible location.
wishy-washy and decision free, here.@Amalitza 129863 wrote:
woah woah woah there SteveO. Dude. I’m pretty sure I didn’t volunteer to make any actual decisions this year. I volunteered to document the decisions other people make in a centralized and easily accessible location.
wishy-washy and decision free, here.That’s why I did’t volunteer, when I retired I gave up the responsibility of making decisions that affect other people’s lives. Of course living in Kyiv doesn’t help either. 😎
@Raymo853 129850 wrote:
This should have never been a thread or a poll, it should have been a decision without any consideration of whom types the loudest. We all know on this issue, plus many more, there can never be a consensus or even an accommodation.
@Steve O 129854 wrote:
Agreed. Freezing Saddles is not a democracy nor a dictatorship, nor really any easily definable structure. It probably most closely resembles organizing a game of freeze tag on the grade-school playground.
In the end, decision-making is made by those who have stepped up to volunteer and make the decisions. It is good that cvc and sunyata and amalitza, etc. listen to the rest of us, but since they have volunteered to take care of registration and member management, the rest of us have essentially deferred to them to do the best they can. I like that cvc has taken these polls and opened these threads for discussion; she didn’t have to.
@Amalitza 129863 wrote:
woah woah woah there SteveO. Dude. I’m pretty sure I didn’t volunteer to make any actual decisions this year. I volunteered to document the decisions other people make in a centralized and easily accessible location.
wishy-washy and decision free, here.I started this poll to try to see if there was a consensus on the issue. However, I don’t intend to go strictly by the numbers here. Unless things change markedly between now and December 24, barring disagreement by my co-organizers, I’m inclined to call this in favor of allowing ebikes but not ELFs (Elves?), on the following basis:
- I don’t think we should be changing previous rules, in a way that would disqualify beloved veterans, without a solid consensus rather than a simple majority.
- The totals currently shown above don’t reflect the fact that three people have changed their votes from a complete ban to allowing ebikes but not ELFs, so the vote is in fact almost even.
- Everyone who has wanted to change a vote has done so in the direction of allowing ebikes, and has changed based on reading the discussion. This suggests to me that people who think and read more are likely in the pro-ebike camp, while some of the antis may just have voted on the poll without really reading.
- Those who ride ebikes are more directly affected by the decision than the rest of us are, so their votes should be given a bit more weight.
Amalitza has already indicated her intention to stay out of all decision-making. I’ll consult with Sunyata and Hozn, who have been the other organizers, and then just let Amalitza know what decisions have been made.
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